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		<title>Kobe: My response to the response.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Polerecky</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Let me start off by saying I am so happy with the “New” Microsoft. An engaged Microsoft, an open Microsoft.&#160; So to the Kobe team I say “Welcome to the real world”. There are enough people writing about the amazingly horrible code. I’m upset with the response from the team. The response, at first glance,


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me start off by saying I am so happy with the “New” Microsoft. An engaged Microsoft, an open Microsoft.&#160; So to the Kobe team I say “Welcome to the real world”.</p>
<p>There are enough people <a href="http://weblogs.asp.net/rashid/archive/2009/04/16/kobe-ms-new-web-2-0-resource-kit-in-asp-net-mvc-and-my-thoughts.aspx#7048352" target="_blank">writing</a> <a href="http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2009/04/17/kobe-ndash-data-access-done-wrong.aspx" target="_blank">about the</a> <a href="http://ayende.com/Blog/archive/2009/04/17/kobe-ndash-in-the-nuts-amp-bolts-and-donrsquot-really.aspx" target="_blank">amazingly</a> <a href="http://codebetter.com/blogs/karlseguin/archive/2009/04/16/kobe-oh-dead-lord-why.aspx" target="_blank">horrible code</a>. I’m upset with <a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/masashi_narumoto/archive/2009/04/17/project-kobe-community-feedback.aspx" target="_blank">the response from the team</a>. The response, at first glance, seems to acknowledge there is a problem and that they will fix the Kobe code. </p>
<p>Then I read it again…</p>
<p><a href="http://blogs.msdn.com/masashi_narumoto/archive/2009/04/17/project-kobe-community-feedback.aspx" target="_blank">This post</a> is defensive and response laden with manager speak for “fuck off”. More so, they don’t even acknowledge a problem with the Kobe code!</p>
<blockquote><p>The sample app is not a &quot;reference application&quot; in the context of code completeness. A &quot;sample app&quot; and a &quot;reference app&quot; are quite different in the context of code completeness, and we do not claim Kobe to be a reference app in this context. </p>
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<p>Oh!, I am so sorry, I thought it was a &quot;reference application&quot; now that I know its a &quot;sample app&quot; all is right in the world. FAIL. What is that code a sample of anyway? After looking at the code and reading the numerous community responses its quite easy for me to say.</p>
<blockquote><p>The Kobe code is a sample of how NOT to do ASP.NET MVC</p>
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<p>If we now have the same understanding of the word sample; then I agree; Kobe is a sample.</p>
<p>Now, I am aware that <a href="http://blog.wekeroad.com/" target="_blank">Rob</a> and the <a href="http://www.hanselman.com/blog/" target="_blank">Scott</a> are stepping in to <a href="http://twitter.com/shanselman/status/1540598780" target="_blank">clean this up</a>…Oxite déjà-vu. But I need to make one final comment about the teams acknowledgement of the problems in the code.</p>
<blockquote><p>We will review all sumitted feedback and take action to address items within the context of the intended scope &amp; goals of the Kobe project.</p>
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<p>That is so so so far from an acknowledgement. This is an <a href="http://twitter.com/robconery/status/1540132530" target="_blank">acknowledgement</a>.</p>


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